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Duncan Jury Hears Details of Family's Murder

By August 14, 2008

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A federal jury that will decide whether Joseph Edward Duncan III lives or dies covered their mouths and shook their heads as prosecutors outlined the gruesome details of the murder of an Idaho family and the kidnapping, torture and abuse of Dylan and Shasta Groene and the murder of Dylan. U.S. Attorney Thomas Moss warned jurors they would have to see even more horrid evidence.

Representing himself, Duncan told jurors he would testify during the sentencing hearing to "clarify things."

During opening statements, Moss told jurors they would have to watch the video that Duncan made of the torture and sexual assault of 9-year-old Dylan Groene taken just before Duncan killed in him in front of his then 8-year-old sister, Shasta.

Shasta, the sole survivor of Duncan's exploits, will not testify during the hearing, although she may later give a victim impact statement. Prosecutors and the defense agreed to allow videotapes of Shasta's interviews with investigators to be shown during the hearing, rather than having her testify.

Crime Carefully Planned

In his opening statements, Moss told the jury that Duncan's attack on the family was carefully planned from the initial surveillance of the family to the videotaped torture of Dylan. Moss outlined the timeline of Duncan's crimes.

Duncan has pleaded guilty to killing 13-year-old Slade Groene, his mother, Brenda Groene, and her fiance, Mark McKenzie, then kidnapping Dylan and Shasta.

Moss told the jury that Duncan made sure the children knew he had killed their relatives as he drove away with them into Montana. The three camped out for several weeks at the end of a remote forest road. When Duncan had to leave the campsite, he would tie the children to a tree with a dog chain, Moss said.

On June 22, 2005, Duncan left Shasta alone at the camp and took Dylan to a vacant mining cabin where he stayed for three hours and 25 minutes. For 30 of those minutes, Duncan videotaped the sexual abuse and torture of Dylan.

Moss warned the jury that the videotape was graphic, but they would have to watch it to make a decision in the case. "It shows that to Joseph Duncan the infliction of pain and sexual gratification goes together," Moss said. "Heinous, cruel and depraved are tough words in the English language, but none of these words ... fully express the outrage of what you will see."

The Murder of Dylan Groene

When Duncan returned to camp, he made Shasta watch the videotape. Four days later, Shasta heard a gunshot and turned to see Dylan holding his stomach where he had been shot. Duncan then held the gun next to Dylan's head and pulled the trigger, but the gun failed to fire. He reloaded and fired again.

Shasta was so close that blood spattered on her clothing.

"The way this little girl describes it is: her brother's head exploded," Moss said. Duncan then "wrapped the body in a tarp, threw it on the campfire and let it burn for several days, until it was reduced to ashes," Moss said.

See Also:
Idaho Jury Hears Horrid Detail of Family Murders
Deal Struck to Keep Shasta Off Stand

Background:
The Trial of Joseph Edward Duncan

Forum:
Discuss The Duncan Case

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Comments

August 14, 2008 at 12:32 pm
(1) Terri says:

This is the most sickening thing I’ve ever read. That poor girl will remember this the rest of her life. I pray for her.

Does anyone know WHY this guy chose this family? Did he know them prior to?

There is a special place in Hell waiting for this freak.

June 29, 2011 at 11:40 pm
(2) Leah says:

Yes. He chose the family because seeing the little girl playing in the front yard in her bathing suit sparked his interest. He watched them for 2 days before coming in their backdoor, which was unlocked, then killing the family and stealing the two little ones.

August 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm
(3) Joe says:

Glad you think there is a special place in Hell for this guy. However, just as responsible are the weak, indolent citizens who have allowed this guy to walk free for so long. He’s a convicted rapist and child molester. What more did people need to know? What a pack of fools…

August 14, 2008 at 1:25 pm
(4) Nuha says:

Why the heck do they prosecute people like this guy. These people who rape and kill children should be shot on the spot. prosecuting these people is a wast of the tax payers money. This guys should be cut to little chucks while alive so he can see part of the degree of horror he put this little girl and her brother through. What a monster.

August 14, 2008 at 1:30 pm
(5) Haseeb Minhas says:

This is extremely disturbing. However its a prime example of Court proceedings being inefficient.
Joseph Edward Duncan III committed the following crimes before this one:
- 1996: Suspect in slayings of two half-sisters from Seattle.
- 1997: Charged with killing of a young boy in Riverside County, California.

Its hard to believe why such a criminal was not locked up for life beforehand. Can’t the jury realize on a common sense basis that this man is not safe to wander in society.

This makes me very upset over how justice is not served properly.

August 14, 2008 at 1:48 pm
(6) Karen says:

Just put him in prison with the general population and justice will be served. I think it is helpful in these horrific crimes to find out what the defendant wants and give him the opposite. Some want to die, so put him in jail: some want jail, so kill him. Unfortunately there isn’t a horrible enough punishment.

August 14, 2008 at 2:44 pm
(7) Jen says:

While I would love to see this monster in the gas chamber. But that would be too humane…this guy deserves to be tortured and raped for the rest of his vile worthless life.

I’m pissed at society because this guy should have been locked up after his first conviction.

Pedophiles don’t “recover”, they only get worse and more violent.

One strike and you’re out if you molest a kid.

What happened to that family and little girl seems to prove the existence of pure evil.

Duncan deserves to die by slow roast or disembowlment not an easy painless death like the one the state will provide.

August 14, 2008 at 3:07 pm
(8) KLS says:

perhaps the ACLU attorney that will defend this guy should be forced to watch the video and publically tell us why capital punishment is wrong. I agree that death or life in prison in too easy, but we have too many bleeding hearts that won’t let anything different happen. Even if he is sentenced to death, it will be 20 years from now and then there will be protestors outside the prison walls demostrating aginst CP, What a mess we have.

August 14, 2008 at 3:23 pm
(9) Jim says:

This is a classic example of the failings of the criminal justice system. His criminal record had repeated offenses of a similar nature and yet he was still able to roam freely and perpetrate perhaps the most disgusting and heinous crime in recent memory.

His patterns of behaviour should have been evident and dealt with after he was shown to be a repeat offender. He was suspected in a double homicide and another sexual abuse case. If those two separate offenses weren’t a strong enough indication of his character then the justice system is either negligent to a degree of incompetence or far too lenient in dealing with repeated offenders like this.

I am generally opposed to execution, but in rare cases with crimes of extreme depravity such as this, I believe he should be killed. With pain.

August 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm
(10) Anon says:

Jen, you obviously don’t know what a pedophile is. I think you are searching for the word child molester or rapist. Pedophiles are not by definition violent or dangerous. They shouldn’t be put in the same category as this man.

This was an act of unforgivable malice I can only imagine a psychopath is capable of. Actually, I find it hard to fathom anyone being capable of such violence.

What is almost as sickening is to see what it does to good people like you. Look at how you are all crying out for blood. This ‘man’s fate is already in the hands of a jury that will see him dead or rotting in a cage. There is no reason to soil your hearts with vengeful rallies for death and suffering. It has already been established that there is no proper punishment we can give that is suitable for such an evil crime. The universe will work out a proper punishment with or without our help.

I submit that it would be more productive to offer your sympathy and help to this girl who will never be the same. I sure hope someone does. It kills me inside to know someone is out there who has suffered so much and that I can’t do anything about it.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. Not that anyone asked for it.

August 14, 2008 at 5:20 pm
(11) Aaron says:

Anon, you may correct in criticizing the bloody minded vindictiveness many people on this message board have shown, but regardless of what you may think it does to ‘good people,’ I for one believe it is because he was left in the hands of a jury that failed to execute its proper duty after he had demonstrated repeated tendencies to extremely violent and perverse criminal behavior.

This is not to say that I think a solution is a kind of torch wielding vigilante witch hunt, but sometimes extreme punishment is necessary to mete out justice on a sick psychopath who is clearly outside the realm of even abnormally violent and sadistic behavior. There need to be provisions in the system to punish people like this.

I also do not believe in the laissez faire mentality that things will work out on their own or that God or Jesus or whatever divine justice dealer one believes in will face them on their day of reckoning. We are here on Earth now and action to punish the most reviled of our society must be our affair.

I must be clear that I am opposed to Capital Punishment as a deterrent to crime and under most circumstances, but those who have committed crimes that take the lives and destroy the innocence of children must be removed from this Earth. I do not see this as revenge or that it affects one’s ‘purity of heart,’ but a necessity in dealing with crimes of this severity.

August 14, 2008 at 5:51 pm
(12) dlg says:

Anon, The following statement you made makes me a little upset. “Jen, you obviously don’t know what a pedophile is. I think you are searching for the word child molester or rapist. Pedophiles are not by definition violent or dangerous. They shouldn’t be put in the same category as this man.”
Excuse me! Pedophilia (or paedophilia) is a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children or commits child sexual abuse, also known as “pedophilic behavior”. In common usage, the term pedophile or paedophile refers to an adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child.

August 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm
(13) the spike says:

Hey anon, you are absolutely correct. Your two cents are’nt worth ####!

after all the evidence that has been presented, how could anyone look at it and say ok lets hear his side now. I have two children, 12 and 5, girl and boy. I live in k county. go on line and see how many violent sex offenders live near you! how many times have you heard on the news that a violent level three sex offender that has a high probability of reoffending has been released!?what the fuck is wrong with the people making these kind of decisions!? they should be held accountable and face it when someone’s raped, tortured and mutilated child is laid on their doorstep! you can’t fix these people,and I for one don’t feel like spending my hard earned money for their incarceration or their “rehabilitation”! I have heard way too many of these stories. We have to protect our children the best we can at all times! If I could, I would kill the #### myself and not loose a moment’s sleep!, and consider it a planetary favor. put the bastard’s in general population and leak their identity! DEATH TO CHILD MOLESTERS!!!

steve,

August 14, 2008 at 10:48 pm
(14) Anon says:

@Aaron: Well said. You cant deny though that we are neither judge nor jury. Becoming rabid will solve nothing. Don’t think that I’m condemning people for being outraged. I just am suggesting an alternative. Anyway, that was just my opinion.

@dlg: I’m not surprised that my statement upsets you. Society plays a huge role in how we perceive people that are different from ourselves. And this happens to be one of the biggest taboos there is in our culture.

Taboo or not, though, there is no scientific proof that pedophilia is a psychological ‘disorder’. To the contrary, pedophilia is more closely comparable to homosexuality. Homosexuality means that one is naturally attracted to same-sex partners. Homosexuality doesn’t mean that one is compelled towards rape, molestation, etc. Neither does pedophilia. On the other hand, these are both wildly debated topics that we shouldn’t bother getting into here.

At any rate, Jen and to a lesser extent, you are implying that all pedophiles are bloody criminals which is misleading and just outright wrong.

And this case had little to do with pedophilia anyway. This isn’t about age. This is about depraved torture. No one deserved this, young or old. The man was not to be compared with typical pedophiles.

August 15, 2008 at 12:05 am
(15) Rob says:

I can honestly say that after reading this story today, I could in clear consciousness, shoot this man if he were in the room with me. It’s stories like these that wake me up at night and have me double checking doors, windows, and my children at 0200 in the morning. I hate the fact that when someone is this clear cut guilty, that he cannot be put to death that very day. Like it was stated earlier–waste of our money–and you know what is funny? This guy actually looks healthier (due to all the free meals and medical care) than he did when this offense was committed. I hope that this demon dies painfully and that it is stretched out over the same amount of time that it took him to destroy the Groene family and all the other people he has harmed, combined.

August 15, 2008 at 1:24 pm
(16) St. George says:

If I had the resources, this guy would disappear and wake up in an old dirty warehouse strapped to a steel gurney with an IV in his arm. Then I would proceed to take his body apart slowly over the course of several days.

August 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
(17) anon says:

(12)anon is a pedophile sympathizer. Anon, pedophiles don’t need sympathy, they need to be identified and removed. They are threat, whether by choice or not, whether latent or not, whether dormant or not, to which society needs to respond fiercely. ABSOLUTE ZERO TOLERANCE

August 15, 2008 at 2:01 pm
(18) Disgusted. says:

Don’t confuse your personal desires toward children with their desires toward you. I’ve met many people who would argue (like MAMBA) that pedophilia is simply an age issue, and not a sexually depraved, and predatory issue. However, children can suffer mental, and physical disabilities from engaging in sexual activities at young ages. This interferes and threatens the health and well being of that child. Manipulation of children into sexual relationships with adults is predatory, and irresponsible of the adult. Adults should protect and nurture children, not use them for sexual gratification. Any adult viewing a child as a sexual equal needs to revisit their mental health, and at the very least, their moral health.

After reading the blog for this criminal, it is clear he shares the same mind set as our commenter Anon, that all experiences are part of life, and cracking down on those who prey upon our young will not help.

In society we must balance the support of our victims, with the punishment of our criminals. In this case, supporting our victim is also synonymous with punishing the criminal.

August 15, 2008 at 3:15 pm
(19) anon a homophobe? says:

anon (post 12): Be careful about your comparison between pedophiles and homosexuals; although you did not explicitly condemn homosexuals, the inference is almost there. I am aware that you simply stated that there are many varying preferences out there, and that you are not pointing out that any malevolence may be inherent within those preferences… but your ONE example, that of homosexuality, reeks a little of the closed-mindedness against which you are preaching.

August 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm
(20) reader says:

Read Anon post (12)’s third paragraph carefully. I give 1000-1 odds that this guy has child porn on his computer.

As a parent, its really frighting (almost paralyzing)once you realize how many real monsters and real boogie men there really are out there. We must be forever, tirelessly diligent.

August 16, 2008 at 9:53 am
(21) Kevin says:

I believe Duncan must die because as long as he’s alive, that poor girl he mercilessly tortured will always live with a damocles over her head, that someday he might escape or be paroled and might come looking for her. At least his death would allay her fears. This “human” is only a being in name only. I think his humanity was lost completely some time ago. There is no logical reason why he should remain alive. I doubt he can be of any benefit to society. Certainly no one would miss him. No one will ever love him. Prison would guarantee him an eternal living death, but it would come at too high a cost, both literally and figuratively. The question I keep asking myself is WHY. Why go to the lenghts he went through to gratify his sexual urges. Why kill, torture and maim innocent children who had barely experienced life at all. Ever since I read that Shasta was made to participate in and witness these unspeakable acts of evil I have been beside myself with inconsolable sadness and overwhelming depression. The world doesn’t make sense to me anymore. again, I ask why, for god’s sake, I need to understand.

August 16, 2008 at 1:56 pm
(22) Kath says:

As a Boise, Idaho resident, we get first hand the horribleness of this monster as he being held in our jail, and it is our citizens sitting on his jury. Duncan is splashed acrossed our local news day and night. We can’t get away from it. It’s the topic of conversation every where we go these days.

Questions have been asked about why he targeted the Groene family. The reason…..the family lived in a rural area, so the chance of him getting caught in the middle of the initial murders and kidnappings were slim. Also, the Groene family had 2 children at the right age. Coeur d’Alene, Idaho is a safe community where people don’t think twice about leaving a door unlocked. The Groene family’s back door was unlocked.

Personally, I think death is too humane for Duncan. I say give him life and then throw him in the most dangerous federal prison in this country. Put him in general population! My parents were in law enforcement. Sexual preditors of children are the lowest scum in prison. Let the most violent killers we have in this country have a crack at Duncan. I’m sure he’ll be tortured and brutalized before they kill him! In general population, he won’t last a week!

August 19, 2008 at 5:01 pm
(23) SW says:

Aaron, you suggested (#10) that previous juries did not do their duty when dealing with this man. The only time this guy came into contact with a jury as an ADULT, he was sentenced to 20 years in jail. Not a wimpy sentence for someone with no previous record (known to the jury anyway-his juvenile record would have spoken volumes if it were allowable in court). Juries can only convict based on what is presented to them in court. Jury wasn’t privy to his “violent and perverse” tendencies. The juvenile record is most likely not admissible and if the D.A. or prosecutor do not prosecute the case well (give the jury what they need to convict) or present enough evidence to support the charge, you can’t lay it at the feet of the jury. The jury DID convict, in this case. At the time of the conviction (the only actual adult conviction it seems) the other crimes he was suspected in, had not been committed- as they happened AFTER his release. At the time of these crimes he was not even a suspect. He did not become a suspect in some of these other crimes until AFTER he was sitting in jail in Idaho.

August 20, 2008 at 7:12 pm
(24) survivorsher says:

Sad, Sad, Sad, a family killed and children brutilized and sexually assaulted. What about the little girl who will grow up to be a woman? Her life will never be normal, how could it. Throw him into general population and allow the guards to turn a deaf ear to his screams for help.

August 22, 2008 at 12:36 am
(25) Brenda says:

There are no words, in any language, to describe this worthless germ and what he has done. I think of a verse in the Bible that says “Do not fear those who can kill the body and after that, can do no more. Fear Him who has the power to throw you into hell.” Hell is coming for Joseph Duncan, with it’s mouth wide open. He will spend eternity suffering along with those as worthless as himself. A more fitting punishment for a pedophile could not be found as there will be no children there.

August 22, 2008 at 7:43 am
(26) Carmela says:

It is so terrible to heard somethink like that right now I feel afried for my kids
but please kill that man PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

August 22, 2008 at 7:08 pm
(27) Ed says:

Joseph Duncan is pure evil. That is his fundamental core. Blaming it on pedophilia is about as relevant as pointing out that he has black hair. Granted, his interest in kids led him to kids, but what he IS is a conscienceless, morally-absent killer. There is no shortage of people who are sexually attracted to children (most of whom profess to ‘adore’ children, and become just as ill at the thought of hurting them), but we never hear anything like this. Mr.Duncan is truly in a league of his own, and I would love nothing more than to spend a few minutes alone with him. He’s a coward, as are most child abductors, and would absolutely wet his pants if he ever had to face someone his OWN size.

I hope he receives a life sentence rather than death, because if Heaven exists, and if everyone goes there regardless of past sins, that would mean he would be reunited with Dylan and his murdered family.. and I don’t think they should have to share each other’s company again so soon. Plus, life in prison comes with the added, tantalizing possibility of daily beatings at the hands of other inmates. Even hardened prisoners respect the universal axiom: thou shall not harm innocent children – a concept which I hope they “explain” to Duncan for many, many years.

August 23, 2008 at 1:33 am
(28) kerryanne says:

hi this is kerry hope that the inmates will kill duncan for what he has done to this girl this poor girl had to see duncan abuse and kill her brother and duncan deserves to die and to suffer the pain that he has done to this girl and her brother it make me boil how theres so many people like duncan out there doing the same thing to other children and to family wish we could take care of people like that ourselfs so we can give them punshment and get our own justice for the children take matters in to our own hands

August 23, 2008 at 3:20 am
(29) DC says:

INSTRUCTIONS:

Put him straight into G-pop until he’s almost dead. Remove and put in isolation until almost healthy. Repeat for rest of life.

August 23, 2008 at 3:26 am
(30) Life4innocentDeath2Perp says:

Anon, I am hearing compassion for the Ped/Child Molestor/Child Rapist from you. I feel bad for all people who have been the victim or the perp (Perp will see justice in the here after as well). . . HOWEVER, I believe in swift yet thorough JUSTICE. Death to people who ruin a Human’s mind body and soul for their own SICK, SELFISH and PERVERTED WANTS! Life to the Innocent. Most liberals I know are closet Peds… Is that what I am hearing from you?

August 23, 2008 at 11:51 pm
(31) MB says:

anan9 why are you defending pediphiles? your comments are sick, it’s almost like you a are a pediphile yourself. homosexuals are nothing like pediphiles! THEY LIKE GROWN UP MEN. Dont even compair the two. You gross me out and this story makes me sick. You cant blame people for wanting this monster to suffer, he has committed the most one of the most deplorable crimes I have ever read about

August 28, 2008 at 4:21 am
(32) anna says:

This message is for sicko please do the world a favor and hang yourself. Don’t wait for the system to end your life for they have failed society long enough for ever allowing someone so sick to even be on the the streets to destroy the families that you did. poor shasta will be grown and you will still be alive on death row fantasizing on all the sick torture that you done to these innocent children. I wish you would of got life instead and put in general population then you would be gone in just matter of minutes. So do the world a favor and execute yourself. I think you owe Shasta that much.

August 29, 2008 at 3:10 pm
(33) Carly5 says:

Why do I hear sympathy/understanding for this man from Anon? Evidently, it is not clear to you that pedophila is WRONG!! That pedophiles are PREDATORS that ruin the lives of their VICTIMS. I ask you, Anon, have you ever spoken to a survivor of child abuse in any form? Any of them tell you they liked it? What the hell is wrong with you? How is victimizing others even a little bit the same as being homosexual? I dont understand. I fear you may have some secrets of your own.

September 12, 2008 at 5:26 pm
(34) John says:

Anon sounds like he is a pedophile himself. And just for his information that is a crime if you act upon it. I’m sure we’ll be reading about this scumbag someday.

September 26, 2008 at 7:29 am
(35) Ang says:

Has anyone noticed that Annon has not commented nor denied being a pedophile since the first suspicion of it on here? This is making me even more suspicious that he/she/it is a pedophile. What’s more, I am wondering if Annon may very well be a part of Duncan’s Fifth Nail following.
As far as Duncan goes, I am reading comments of placing him in general population and letting justice be served that way.
Here is the problem with that idea….Duncan is a sociopath, and a sexual psychotic. He does not posess the capability of feeling emotion, he does not posses the capability of feeling fear, or sadness, or anything. In fact he also fits the profile of a person who would “get off” on the types of torture he would undergo in general population. You guys are making this suggestion based on an idea that it would be torture to him when in reality it probably wouldn’t be ….not to him. You can’t compare him to a normal human being. Rape and physical torture would more than likely not effect this monster in the way it would a normal human being. He would not be scared of it, he would not feel traumatized by it, he may feel physical pain from it but again…he fits the profile of someone who gets sexual gratification from pain.
The reality of it now is…he has been scentenced to death. The thing I hate most about him still being alive is that my tax dollars are paying for him to have better health care than my children or I am able to have. My tax dollars are being spent on this monster’s meals, health care, clothing, bedding, and even the toilet paper to wipe his ass with. I will be relieved the day that my hard earned money will never again be spent on this freak of nature.

September 26, 2008 at 7:40 am
(36) Ang says:

Actually, I have a correction to make…
My tax dollars going to his meals, health care, bedding, and toilet paper are the SECOND thing I hate most about him still being alive. The thing I hate MOST about him still being alive is that the tax dollars of the father of those poor children are going to that crap.
That father saw the video of what was done to his son. That father has to live with those thoughts and images in his head and they will haunt him and plague him everyday for the rest of his life….and he now has to PAY to keep the man who did those horrid acts alive and HEALTHY! There is no justice in that.

October 22, 2008 at 1:49 pm
(37) travis whitt says:

i think this guy should have fish hooks slowy place in and around his penis.then after he heals he should be burned slowly over and over until his face begins to look like the monter he is . then some one should shoot the people who let this monster rome free.and any one who comes to his defence. i think he should not get the death penalty, i think he should be cained put a bag over his head took to all the gays in prison and have a free buffa all the butt hole they want as much as they want then kill him after a fews years of this let punshiment fit the crime.

November 23, 2008 at 12:28 pm
(38) serena says:

They were chosen, as Duncan himself said to a Spokesman Review reporter, because “they represented everything I hate” They represented family, happiness, normalcy, and in Duncan’s twisted mind, whiteness. The 2 boys he watched for 3 days of the family, had shaven heads. Duncan assumed they were north idaho white homogenous society, and this he and those he is working for (snuff film producers) despise.

Duncan had posted on his now closed website pictures of himself with lipstick, mascara and wigs, in womens clothing and naked posed like a woman where you could not see his male private part.

He had an old black man for a sex partner for 15 years in prison, from which he was released after confessing at age 19 to having raped over 16 boys already.

He hated hard working, family oriented white society, and he had many associates with lots of money who feel the same.

He has given homosexuals a bad rap, where prior to this most people were beginning to be accepting of homosexuals, now everyone is afraid they are all threats to young boys.

This was a definite pre-planned hit and not something he decided as he drove by. He bought the surveillance equipment and video equipment back in Minnesota, weeks before the murders. He was financed by big bucks.

Look up Anti Racist Action and Vanguard News Network. Possibly this family was tracked through the Internet, but most definitely, a targeted and preplanned hit. This family represented the America that others want to destroy and rule. The America where families were hard-working, independent and retain their identity and culture with pride.
Joseph Duncan himself also said to Shasta as quoted in the Spokesman Review: “I am working for the “Secret Government”, and on his website, 1 month before the snuff films were produced, he wrote: “I must carry out my orders or a whole lot worse than just “ME” being killed will happen.”

The newspapers and the Feds have done swift work at covering up and removing all of these articles from the Internet. They know if people knew what really happened there, there would be major heads rolling and something close to a revolution by the people. Dylan was 1/4 Mexican, his grandmother being Hispanic, so to say this 9 year old boy was a skinhead would be a lie, yet those who ordered the killings wanted a representation of All American white homogenity being destroyed.

The films are likely being shown at about 25,000 per viewing in Eastern Europeon and Far East Countries to wealty businessmen and the like.

This is nothing new in the world of “Snuff films”.

Check out Huff’s blog on the Duncan murders and google child porn/snuff films.
You will learn a lot and maybe we can begin to destroy this Russian mafia power base that so adeptly covers it’s tracks, even controlling the media so as to gag all mention of the details that would effect change rapidly to prevent this.

Without effort, these people will continue to stalk and kill for profit, young ones.

Where do you think all those children on the milk cartons and posted at Walmart Missing persons walls go to?

Get real, wake up and do something.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

June 18, 2011 at 3:16 am
(39) french dude says:

very interresting idea….it could be a snuff mafia

November 23, 2008 at 12:33 pm
(40) Joy Division says:

Duncan (and his wealthy, free roaming accomplices) are still beating the system and playing everyone for the dumbed down fools we have become.

He is an actor, and he grew his hair and beard for the FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE, to play the part of a madman, and detailed just a fraction of the truth of what he and shasta did to dylan, so HE COULD GET THE DEATH PENALTY TO ENSURE HIS SAFETY IN ISOLATION IN PRISON. He knows he’ll never die on death row. And now he is safe from true justice, which he would receive from even the most hardened prisoners had he gotten life instead of death row.

Duncan is laughing in the comfort of his private government sponsored hotel room.

November 23, 2008 at 12:44 pm
(41) mark goldman says:

No doubt, Russian mafia with its American counterparts were behind this. One of Duncan’s sisters is married to a Russian computer expert. Her name is Tina Novotney and they reside in Poulsbo, WA. Lots of computer technology there. Not to say they are involved, but she is married to a Russian, and the Russian mob are the ones who invented the child porn snuff film industry.

His mother Lillian Duncan, of Tacoma, didn’t even feel this tragedy deserved a simple apology to the family for her son’s actions and even after 3 years only had this to say to the papers: “No Comment”. His brother, Bruce Duncan of Tacoma, Wa has faked his own death by getting the “Cellar” blog on Duncan’s crimes to post that he was a really sweet, wonderful guy who just happened to die recently.

What a bunch of no account cowards.

You’d think they’d do all they could to help repair the damage their own blood has heaped upon the innocent so tragically. Instead, they seem to be glad for what he did, they were all angry that he had to pay for his rape and burning of that teen 20 years ago with time in prison.

They are indignant, and obviously supportive of their despicable brethren.

You know what they say: “silence is consent”

“No comment……”

December 31, 2008 at 5:10 pm
(42) patrick58 says:

I second that vote, DC!

July 5, 2009 at 1:43 pm
(43) Unknown says:

that piece of crap should be killed I just read of another person from india that raped and murdered a 14 month old boy these people should be shot on the spot, no if ands or buts, why even have to pay a jury a judge a prosecutor or public defendent for these cases, what is wrong with these people I’ll tell you there possessed and should be eliminated and tortured to scare the next crazy person not to do same thing or even think about it.

July 10, 2009 at 1:26 pm
(44) nancy says:

omg he should be tortured and ripped one limb at a time then have his penis cut off so that he can never touch a child again what a monster even that word is to good for him they should throw him to the public not waste money on a trail. evil,evil,man

July 10, 2009 at 1:31 pm
(45) nancy says:

maybe anon is a pedophile himself

July 12, 2009 at 6:17 pm
(46) snowisfun says:

Joseph Edward Duncan III is a homolester. He is a homosexual because he has sex with young boys. If he is given the death penalty & executed, then I won’t care. I’m generally opposed to the death penalty, but in cases such as Joseph Edward Duncan, they can kill him & I won’t lose sleep.

Finally, Joseph Edward Duncan III is White. You don’t see Black men committing crimes such as this, because straight sexuality is the nature of Black men. Black men have sex with women. Most Black men in prison have committed crimes such as robbery, drugs, rape & even murder (usu. passion crimes)-the same things that White men are in prison for, but Black men don’t commit crimes such as Joseph Edward Duncan III did. The legal system has not always been fair to Black men. They must have = punishment for the same crime.

Getting back to Joseph Edward Duncan III, he is to repeat a HOMOSEXUAL because he has sex with young boys or a homolester.

December 5, 2009 at 7:16 pm
(47) tucker says:

Honestly, I could tear this guy apart with my bare hands and not think another thing about it.

February 17, 2010 at 4:36 pm
(48) Totally Disgusted says:

I just recently in the last few days witnessed this extremly disturbing event on one of the cable channels that does exposes on this stuff. I am 69yo and no prude and I was sickened and appaled at the methodical and deliberate way this maggot destroyed and murdered this family. The sad part is this is only one sick puke, there are way to many more out there preying evry day on our kids and society. When are legislators and the criminal justice system going to stop these creeps in their tracks now before they get to this point. It has been said many times there is no cure for these sexualy sick deviants so why do we continue to protect and coddle them and the expense of the lives of our innocent women and kids. I just don’t get it. When do we get our rights. I belive he was given a Fedral death Sentence. I Hope It Has Been Carried Out By Now.

August 18, 2010 at 9:35 am
(49) Debbie v. says:

Prayers for Dear Shasta & her Dad, & all those closest to her helplessly sharing her torment. May word of His Execution, free her of the mental torment, helping her to heal. I cannot fathom why Justice isn’t swift (given all the evidence), & to make his justice linger for years & years is an insufferable impurity to bestow on her innocence. God protect her & let the memories fade. Bless the woman who recognized her…

March 19, 2011 at 1:26 am
(50) dru says:

HOw did this guy ever get out of jail? I am writing my senators to demand America deal with these monsters. They all NEED THE DEATH PENALTY. Exterminate them like the vermin they are. That family would be alive today if he had remained incarcerated. The judge that let him out or paroled him, is partly responsible for the crimes.

May 14, 2011 at 7:30 am
(51) Barbi says:

I know exactly why Duncan was released to hunt again.

The FBI and the CIA, and every other agency that they run background checks for, like the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, are controlled by paedophile-serial killers. That also includes every port state like CA. The gang that became known as the FBI has been pimping kids and running scams for nigh on a century now, and anybody who don’t like it will get dead just like the Kennedys and their informant Marilyn Monroe. Hoover released Spanish Flu by the means of stolen railroad pigeons for the purposes of paedophilia and to take power, and the new Hoover did him one better by releasing HIV.

So you can understand why everybody in CA who’s in the know is scared just spitless of these guys.

Duncan is simply another one of the FBI pimps who drugs and ferries child prostitutes between their alleged parents and their wealthy abusers, disposes of the little bodies if they get dead, murders biological parents and former molest victims as adults, and otherwise takes the heat if anything goes wrong — but this time he went too far killing that boy that the wealthy paedophile wanted.

Now Duncan is going to claim that he acted alone. He believes that in return for his silence that he will be switched out when they close the curtain. He’ll only realize that he’s been double crossed when he wakes up in Hell.

And the orphan girl will be adopted by monsters.

Just like me.

Same old story.

Nothing to see here. Move along folks.

June 18, 2011 at 3:29 am
(52) french dude says:

it’s the worst nigtmare i could imagine when i was child…woke up in the midddle of the night by a monster dressed in black, killing everybody and been abused for weeks and see ur brother’s head explosed…WAAOOO…don’t forget the snuffs..i’m a 31 old man, viril maybe macho and i fight when it does but i’ve cried when i ‘ve read the book about the murders and even if my english isbasic i could imaine the horrific scenario…if this story was a movie, we’ll treat the director’s film insane..i hope the best for shasta…here in france justice sucks, it’s all for the criminals,I HOPE YOU DUNCAN LITTLE BITCH TO BE SODOMIZED WITH A BROKEN CHAIR FOR THE ETERNITY…..and the 2 zionist who paid for that scum i hope u the same….coeur de france for coeur d’alene

November 11, 2011 at 7:25 pm
(53) Alicia says:

So sad…Carmen and Sammy-Jo from Seattle were my little sisters cousins…I attended their funeral which was hard, but peaceful and beautiful! God rest their souls…

January 4, 2012 at 4:19 am
(54) eddie says:

Have you people ever considered that this man could
be demonic or spirts controlling him since he was born
if so this man would be forgiven if not then its over for
him in the after life case closed.

October 25, 2012 at 10:30 am
(55) Damion says:

I am a board certified child psychologist that works with abuse victims. My heart goes out to Shasta because she will never forget the murders of her family. However, instead of letting the evil of this monster haunt her, she has chosen to move past this traumatic event. This guy is not only a pedophile, but a sadist. He only gets sexual gratification from inflicting pain upon a completely helpless child. If put in any situation, including a sexual situation with a child, this man cannot be sexually aroused unless he is inflicting pain upon a bound victim who is unable to defend themselves or resist him. He is a sexual psychopath without any hope of rehabilitation, and the only way to protect our children is to make sure he never can come into contact with a child again. If anyone deserves to be removed from this planet, this man is at the top of the list. We need to remove everyone like him the same way just as we cut a cancerous tumor from the body in order to save the person. Stop allowing him to appeal everything, and end his life so that his surviving victim can finally have some closure.

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